tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20077444.post8865209772719239989..comments2024-03-26T04:21:43.535-05:00Comments on Free Association: If Bush Didn't Exist, Hugo Chavez Would Have to Invent HimSheldon Richmanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15672237234580563637noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20077444.post-59942293729014720162007-03-09T10:14:00.000-06:002007-03-09T10:14:00.000-06:00No privilege at all. First, both were anarchists. ...No privilege at all. First, both were anarchists. No state, no privilege. Tucker clearly believed in private property. Proudhon, despite some seemingly anti-property statements, also endorsed private property as a bulwark against oppression. They differed from Locke in that they believed ownership ends when occupancy ends -- that is, no absentee ownership and rent. Google will find lots of stuff on both men.<BR/><BR/>See my earlier post <A HREF="http://sheldonfreeassociation.blogspot.com/2006/01/proudhon.html" REL="nofollow">here</A>.<BR/><BR/>Also look in the box here titled "Sheldon's shared items." The first item is "Proudhon and Market Anarchism." Check it out.Sheldon Richmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15672237234580563637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20077444.post-1606949931384282012007-03-09T07:05:00.000-06:002007-03-09T07:05:00.000-06:00Can you futher explain Tucker or Proudhon-type soc...Can you futher explain Tucker or Proudhon-type socialism? What kind of privilege would capital get in this system?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20077444.post-4103782611832443362007-03-09T05:48:00.000-06:002007-03-09T05:48:00.000-06:00anon: Bush is not stopping in Venezuela, just Braz...anon: Bush is not stopping in Venezuela, just Brazil, Uruguay, Colombia, Guatemala, and Mexico.<BR/><BR/>It depends on what you mean by socialism. Stalinist state socialism means oppression and poverty; see Cuba and North Korea. If you simply mean a decentralized market system where capital gets no state privileges (Tucker- or Proudhon-type socialism), then it is not to be feared. Most people don't understand the word that way, just as most people don't understand capitalism to mean the free market. The terms are all screwed up.Sheldon Richmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15672237234580563637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20077444.post-74789282618626102692007-03-08T17:28:00.000-06:002007-03-08T17:28:00.000-06:00Why is socialism feared,Your politicians seek offi...Why is socialism feared,Your politicians seek office based on social issues.Socialism is just a system by which they can deliver on their promises. Therefore it means that your politicians will nerver be able to deliver on their promises because it's imposible to do so under a capitalist system.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20077444.post-77654560849488030292007-03-08T08:30:00.000-06:002007-03-08T08:30:00.000-06:00I think you have hit the nail on the head with thi...I think you have hit the nail on the head with this post. If you look at what has taken place in China and Vietnam, they have slowly moved to more liberal policies. I think you could apply this argument to North Korea and, when it existed, the USSR. <BR/><BR/>I am not sure that more social freedom follows more economic freedom, Singapore being the rarity, but the two certainly help. If we had engaged the North Koreans we had engaged the Chinese and the Vietnamese we may not have the headlines of a looney Kim Jong Il. <BR/><BR/>The more isolation we provide; the more incentive there is to view the US as the bad guy and its minute association with capitalism as the problem. This was true of Japan and why they attacked the US at Pearl Harbor. FDR had economically isolated the island and they were resentful, eventually lashing out.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20077444.post-31597056159355586872007-03-08T08:05:00.000-06:002007-03-08T08:05:00.000-06:00Why would Chavez allow Bush, whom he has referred ...Why would Chavez allow Bush, whom he has referred to as "the devil" into the country? Who can predict the outcome of a relationship between two such powerful egomaniacs?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com