tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20077444.post4638638266556058032..comments2024-03-26T04:21:43.535-05:00Comments on Free Association: Kyle and Lanza: The ComparisonSheldon Richmanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15672237234580563637noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20077444.post-41663756927324491612015-02-09T18:34:51.690-06:002015-02-09T18:34:51.690-06:00In both cases their victims were defenseless.
But...<i>In both cases their victims were defenseless.</i><br /><br />But that's not true of most of the people killed by Kyle. <br /><br />I agree with your general premise that Kyle is not really a hero (which is highly subjective). <br /><br />It's just that comparing him to Adam Lanza is also comparing Iraqis who are fighting an invasion force to innocent 6 year old children at school. That's mainly why the whole analogy is just plain dumb. Juicenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20077444.post-91176290714848715932015-02-06T06:35:12.308-06:002015-02-06T06:35:12.308-06:00Thank you, Ned. Regarding the culture of violence:...Thank you, Ned. Regarding the culture of violence: This gets overshadowed in the movie because of the regrettable murder of Chris Kyle, which occurred while the movie was being made. Had Kyle not been murdered, the movie presumably would have ended with the scene in which he teaches his son to hunt deer -- a scene that echoes the one near the beginning in which Kyle's father teaches him how to hunt. If that scene had closed the movie the message would have been, "Well, here we go again. Another sniper is born." (Which is not the say that ever deer hunter is a would-be sniper.)<br /><br />Kyle's murder was unfortunate at several levels.Sheldon Richmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15672237234580563637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20077444.post-22584611022315208962015-02-06T06:28:17.583-06:002015-02-06T06:28:17.583-06:00Alanstorm, if you think history began on 9/11, it&...Alanstorm, if you think history began on 9/11, it's hard to know what to say to you at this late date. I've written at length on how ridiculous that claim is. The US government has been violently intervening and underwriting oppression in the Middle East at least since the end of WWII. (Britain and France did it before that.) Does that hold no significance for you?Sheldon Richmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15672237234580563637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20077444.post-57307562348321022232015-02-06T06:24:40.707-06:002015-02-06T06:24:40.707-06:00Ray, the matter of private defense can be separate...Ray, the matter of private defense can be separated from the problems of the corporate form as we know it. If corporate personhood and limited tort liability disappeared, people-based defense would still be a feasible idea.Sheldon Richmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15672237234580563637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20077444.post-37322519698474985332015-02-05T16:25:59.887-06:002015-02-05T16:25:59.887-06:00Great article Sheldon Richman. Your detractor'...Great article Sheldon Richman. Your detractor's arguments don't meet the test of logic.<br /><br />I perceive another connection between Adam Lanza, the Sandy Hook murderer of young school children, and the American sniper that no one has made here or over at Liberty.me. They are both the product of a violent American culture doing what comes naturally because violence inevitably begets violence, and how it germinates, mutates and reproduces its evil spawn is completely unpredictable. Thus, when an Adam Lanza or an American sniper strikes their target-victims, the perpetrators' violence may well have been precipitated by the violent actions of their government agents at sometime in the past, including such seemingly "benign" violence as IRS agents collecting taxes by force rather than employing persuasion, cooperation and exchange to obtain their wants and needs.Ned Nettervillehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15471520128078882241noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20077444.post-39764626519283634052015-02-02T15:41:15.277-06:002015-02-02T15:41:15.277-06:00Yes, I've read the Production of Security, and...Yes, I've read the <i>Production of Security,</i> and I'm familiar with both Molinari and also the Mises.org crowd. <br /><br />I meant specifically the Libertarian Left <i>now</i> -- today -- with their growing antipathy toward "corporations," the acme of which, it strikes many of us, private defense firms, in control of chemical, biological, nuclear and other weapons, would, for all intents and purposes, embody.<br /><br />You answered my question. Thank you.Raynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20077444.post-56040026290670800352015-02-02T09:32:27.721-06:002015-02-02T09:32:27.721-06:00alanstorm,
Did nothing happen before 2003?
Try r...alanstorm,<br /><br /><i>Did nothing happen before 2003?</i><br /><br />Try reading the whole article.martinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20077444.post-48316820955828818292015-02-02T08:06:45.853-06:002015-02-02T08:06:45.853-06:00"Let me just say that I understated the matte..."Let me just say that I understated the matter by not explaining that the illegal, unprovoked 2003 U.S. invasion of Iraq, which Kyle participated in, followed more than a decade of devastation inflicted on secular Iraqi society by the U.S. government through “shock and awe,” regular postwar bombings, and debilitating and life-threatening economic sanctions."<br /><br />So you posted another article to further demonstrate your ignorance?<br /><br />Did nothing happen before 2003? IIRC, there was a war in Iraq in 1990. Saddam signed an agreement at the close of the campaign, which terms he continually violated. On top of that, he was funding terrorism around the world, in addition to the horrors inflicted on his own people.<br /><br />The 2003 invasion wasn't some unprovoked event. <br /><br />Articles like his are why no one takes libertarians seriously.alanstormnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20077444.post-56731751479652416422015-02-02T05:49:04.772-06:002015-02-02T05:49:04.772-06:00It goes back to Gustave de Molinari, the 19th-cent...It goes back to Gustave de Molinari, the 19th-century classical-liberal economist. But it's not just the "libertarian left." Hoppe and Kinsella, and the entire Mises Institute, embrace that model. They would not regard themselves as left libertarians. Sheldon Richmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15672237234580563637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20077444.post-64684669919628574372015-02-01T20:41:44.449-06:002015-02-01T20:41:44.449-06:00May I ask in all seriousness: does the Libertarian...May I ask in all seriousness: does the Libertarian Left still subscribe to the Rothbardian-Tannehill Private-Defense-Firm model of national defense? <br /><br />Raynoreply@blogger.com