tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20077444.post440153293490751917..comments2024-03-26T04:21:43.535-05:00Comments on Free Association: Anarchism, Limited Government, and the Surveillance StateSheldon Richmanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15672237234580563637noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20077444.post-30792465011255205512007-12-25T12:44:00.000-06:002007-12-25T12:44:00.000-06:00The question is pertinant to anarchists. I've been...The question is pertinant to anarchists. I've been playing with a thought for a while, and this seems a good place to air it for the first time. <BR/><BR/>I am an anarchist because I believe that humans live in a state of anarchy. That is, anarchy is not something that is imposed from outside society, but like economic law, is an inherent part of reality. <BR/><BR/>As such, the question is not, should we have anarchy? But the question is, Since we live in a state of anarchy, what rules shall we have to ensure the proper distribution of political power.<BR/><BR/>I do not believe it makes sense to ask whether we should implement the laws of economics, but instead we should ask, given that humans are subject to the laws of economics, what rules shall we have that allow for the fair distribution of resources.<BR/><BR/>Given that humans are subject to the laws of anarchy, what rules shall we have that allow for the fair distribution of political power?<BR/><BR/>Since, the rules that allow for the fair distribution of political power are violated by states that operate without consent, no police action should occur at the Federal level. When the Federal government returns to its smaller more Constitutional size, then we can evaluate whether the tax dollars should be moved from another area into the databasing of physical parameters.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03604537291065480176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20077444.post-50106501225222044952007-12-25T08:21:00.000-06:002007-12-25T08:21:00.000-06:00Petey, if private businesses are barred from havin...Petey, if private businesses are barred from having political privileges -- which is one consequence of market anarchism -- there would be no mystique. Who'd go to war because Wal-Mart urged him to?Sheldon Richmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15672237234580563637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20077444.post-76765553975652425142007-12-24T08:55:00.000-06:002007-12-24T08:55:00.000-06:00Sheldon, thanks for your reply. I will read that b...Sheldon, thanks for your reply. I will read that book you suggested.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20077444.post-46799861841957198402007-12-24T06:17:00.000-06:002007-12-24T06:17:00.000-06:00Well I would say, not as a limited-government advo...Well I would say, not as a limited-government advocate, but as some guy who has a nickname, this is the wrong way to go.<BR/><BR/>And while we concentrate on what's right and what's wrong, we forget that it isn't natural that some guy from the other side of the world would feel the urge to kill us by the thousands.<BR/><BR/>It is a just foreign policy that will end terrorism, not some super powerful tool of the state. A tool that will inevitably be used against all dissidents and therefore a tool that must be rejected.<BR/>---------------------------<BR/>Now, I agree with steven. Corporations are not exempt from the vicissitudes of power. They do not care about liberty, as proved by today's state of affairs in America.Marcel Duboishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05741502563166475139noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20077444.post-16497270886317919082007-12-24T00:44:00.000-06:002007-12-24T00:44:00.000-06:00"the state has countless ways to dissolve vigilanc..."the state has countless ways to dissolve vigilance toward it, beginning with its ideological mystique, which disarms most people. The same can't be said for private companies."<BR/><BR/>the contrast isn't between the state and individual private companies, it's between the state and corporate capitalism (or maybe even just plain capitalism), which has its own ideological mystique to fend off vigilance.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20077444.post-87689899648152854002007-12-23T10:16:00.000-06:002007-12-23T10:16:00.000-06:00Steven, the state has countless ways to dissolve v...Steven, the state has countless ways to dissolve vigilance toward it, beginning with its ideological mystique, which disarms most people. The same can't be said for private companies. (I recommend Robert Higgs's <I>Crisis and Leviathan</I> regarding how the state dissolves vigilance.)Sheldon Richmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15672237234580563637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20077444.post-65334686372837865302007-12-23T09:26:00.000-06:002007-12-23T09:26:00.000-06:00Sheldon, I can't say whether I agree or disagree w...Sheldon, I can't say whether I agree or disagree with you at this point. I have a lot of work to do.<BR/><BR/>You say that free market entrepreneurs will devise innovative ways to protect people from criminals. But they also can and do devise innovative ways to voilate the rights of individuals, just as governments do.<BR/><BR/>In either situation (anarcism or limited government) the only thing that can protect the rights of individuals is the eternal vigilance of those of us who value the idea of individual freedom for all human beings.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com